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		By: CTM		</title>
		<link>https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-467</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This book changed my approach to paying for college. We have been faithfully putting money into our children&#039;s college funds and funding our retirement, but this book really opened my eyes to the big picture by asking two important questions, &quot;How close to retirement age will you be when your last child graduates? And when he or she does graduate, how financially ready will you be for retirement?&quot;This is not a last-minute, quick fix for scrounging up money when your child is a senior. But for those late in the game (a child in high school), it does do an excellent job of explaining how financial aid works, why you should fill out the application for aid even you&#039;re sure you won&#039;t get any, and what to do with your assets (and when) to increase the possibility that you will get aid. It also gives advice on working with colleges to see if your child can get a better aid package than the one he or she was initially awarded.I also really liked the fact that the book isn&#039;t just about getting financial aid. Just because you don&#039;t qualify for federal aid doesn&#039;t mean that paying for college is easy. The author does a nice job giving examples of strategies for a variety of income levels. We won&#039;t qualify for need-based aid, but I learned that there is more I can do in terms of our savings and investments to help pay for college.The book also isn&#039;t just about the money. I appreciated the discussion on the importance of selecting the right college, not just sending my child to what she thinks is her dream college. I have changed my mind about the importance of the college visit prior to making a decision. I didn&#039;t do this when I chose a college, but will now think of that as an investment rather than an optional, possibly unnecessary expense.Overall, this book gave me a much greater appreciation for the interconnectedness of my two most important financial goals in life and very useful strategies for working toward fulfilling both. I think they should hand this book out at the doctor&#039;s office along with &quot;What to Expect When You&#039;re Expecting.&quot; We have done a decent job with our finances over the years but I wish I had had this epiphany back when my first child was a baby. I have highlighted passages in this book, which I never do, and will keep it close by until my last child orders her collegiate cap and gown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book changed my approach to paying for college. We have been faithfully putting money into our children&#8217;s college funds and funding our retirement, but this book really opened my eyes to the big picture by asking two important questions, &#8220;How close to retirement age will you be when your last child graduates? And when he or she does graduate, how financially ready will you be for retirement?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not a last-minute, quick fix for scrounging up money when your child is a senior. But for those late in the game (a child in high school), it does do an excellent job of explaining how financial aid works, why you should fill out the application for aid even you&#8217;re sure you won&#8217;t get any, and what to do with your assets (and when) to increase the possibility that you will get aid. It also gives advice on working with colleges to see if your child can get a better aid package than the one he or she was initially awarded.</p>
<p>I also really liked the fact that the book isn&#8217;t just about getting financial aid. Just because you don&#8217;t qualify for federal aid doesn&#8217;t mean that paying for college is easy. The author does a nice job giving examples of strategies for a variety of income levels. We won&#8217;t qualify for need-based aid, but I learned that there is more I can do in terms of our savings and investments to help pay for college.</p>
<p>The book also isn&#8217;t just about the money. I appreciated the discussion on the importance of selecting the right college, not just sending my child to what she thinks is her dream college. I have changed my mind about the importance of the college visit prior to making a decision. I didn&#8217;t do this when I chose a college, but will now think of that as an investment rather than an optional, possibly unnecessary expense.</p>
<p>Overall, this book gave me a much greater appreciation for the interconnectedness of my two most important financial goals in life and very useful strategies for working toward fulfilling both. I think they should hand this book out at the doctor&#8217;s office along with &#8220;What to Expect When You&#8217;re Expecting.&#8221; We have done a decent job with our finances over the years but I wish I had had this epiphany back when my first child was a baby. I have highlighted passages in this book, which I never do, and will keep it close by until my last child orders her collegiate cap and gown.</p>
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		By: Daria		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-441&quot;&gt;Ratna&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks so much for responding to my questions.  It&#039;s pretty difficult to wade through all the options some times.  But I don&#039;t feel nearly as knowledgable as you!  I haven&#039;t even looked beyond the Roth because until we are maxing that out, it doesn&#039;t seem to make sense.  

I am really enjoying these insights and tips - great series Ratna!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-441">Ratna</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for responding to my questions.  It&#8217;s pretty difficult to wade through all the options some times.  But I don&#8217;t feel nearly as knowledgable as you!  I haven&#8217;t even looked beyond the Roth because until we are maxing that out, it doesn&#8217;t seem to make sense.  </p>
<p>I am really enjoying these insights and tips &#8211; great series Ratna!</p>
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		By: Ratna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And yes, Daria- forgot to add that you can use the 529 money for EDUCATION anywhere- as long as it is college, community college, etc... no need for accreditation even.  It just has to be for the qualified expenses- the 529 plans list those:  Room, Board, Tuition, Fees, and even Books/Supplies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, Daria- forgot to add that you can use the 529 money for EDUCATION anywhere- as long as it is college, community college, etc&#8230; no need for accreditation even.  It just has to be for the qualified expenses- the 529 plans list those:  Room, Board, Tuition, Fees, and even Books/Supplies.</p>
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		By: Ratna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ratna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s great Daria that you can contribute to a ROTH- except for the years I had maternity leave and did Leave Without Pay, we cannot contribute much to the ROTH so like I said for dual wage earners (both middle income), it is tough to contribute to the ROTH- we get phased out even if we make combined $100K AGI (this is after our deductions)... we start getting phased out.   
So for us, ROTH is small at best and while we have our work 401Ks for retirement, we definitely do not get the nest egg we need for the kiddos unless we do 529s and other savings like Custodial Accounts which will be addressed next Financial Friday.  You are very knowledgeable and the best thing is that you are doing the right thing- you are saving!!!!  I need to learn a few things from you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great Daria that you can contribute to a ROTH- except for the years I had maternity leave and did Leave Without Pay, we cannot contribute much to the ROTH so like I said for dual wage earners (both middle income), it is tough to contribute to the ROTH- we get phased out even if we make combined $100K AGI (this is after our deductions)&#8230; we start getting phased out.<br />
So for us, ROTH is small at best and while we have our work 401Ks for retirement, we definitely do not get the nest egg we need for the kiddos unless we do 529s and other savings like Custodial Accounts which will be addressed next Financial Friday.  You are very knowledgeable and the best thing is that you are doing the right thing- you are saving!!!!  I need to learn a few things from you.</p>
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		By: Daria		</title>
		<link>https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that you aren&#039;t taxed on Roth withdrawals because they are taxed before they are deposited so any gain is tax free - that is the fundamental difference between a Roth and a traditional IRA.  So, for us, we have 401K with work that is matching and set for our retirement - then add to a Roth IRA figuring we can use it for college or retirement depending on how things turn out.  My parents set up 529&#039;s for the kids - more &#038; more grandparents are footing the college bill - so I think we have all options covered except for the Coverdell.  So basically, retirement comes first, but if we have more then we put it into Roth for either college or retirement depending. 

I may have to look into a Coverdell.  I didn&#039;t realize you could use 529 funds out of the state that they were saved in - good to know.  

GREAT thorough insight into the differences - thank you Ratna!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you aren&#8217;t taxed on Roth withdrawals because they are taxed before they are deposited so any gain is tax free &#8211; that is the fundamental difference between a Roth and a traditional IRA.  So, for us, we have 401K with work that is matching and set for our retirement &#8211; then add to a Roth IRA figuring we can use it for college or retirement depending on how things turn out.  My parents set up 529&#8217;s for the kids &#8211; more &amp; more grandparents are footing the college bill &#8211; so I think we have all options covered except for the Coverdell.  So basically, retirement comes first, but if we have more then we put it into Roth for either college or retirement depending. </p>
<p>I may have to look into a Coverdell.  I didn&#8217;t realize you could use 529 funds out of the state that they were saved in &#8211; good to know.  </p>
<p>GREAT thorough insight into the differences &#8211; thank you Ratna!</p>
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		By: Ratna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just got another question from a twitter follower:
I&#039;ve always wondered how tied to the state a 529 is. What if you move or child goes to private or out-of-state college?

ANSWER: the only advantage to contributing to your state&#039;s 529 is the immediate tax benefit or matching funds (if you have a state that matches).   The kid can attend ANY School in the nation- Harvard to Community College.  If you move, no biggie.  You can keep both - ie. Colorado&#039;s account is still there and then you can open a new one in the new state to get the tax benefit or deduction.  Make sense?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got another question from a twitter follower:<br />
I&#8217;ve always wondered how tied to the state a 529 is. What if you move or child goes to private or out-of-state college?</p>
<p>ANSWER: the only advantage to contributing to your state&#8217;s 529 is the immediate tax benefit or matching funds (if you have a state that matches).   The kid can attend ANY School in the nation- Harvard to Community College.  If you move, no biggie.  You can keep both &#8211; ie. Colorado&#8217;s account is still there and then you can open a new one in the new state to get the tax benefit or deduction.  Make sense?</p>
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		By: Ratna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ratna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry- I have been posting responses a few times but hope this shows up.  

Thanks, Daria- great Questions.  
(1) First, YES -you can have both accounts and even ROLL a Coverdell into a 529.  So it is a good deal that you can get the tax advantage later on the Coverdell.
 
(2) Correct while the Coverdell offers flexibility in moving the money around several times a year, keep in mind you can only contribute $2000 per child per year.
 
(3) The reason I do not address ROTH IRA or 401K in this is because To me and to most people, ROTHS are for retirement - MY RETIREMENT but there are a lot of people using them for college savings.  I found a great blog on advantages and disadvantages:
http://www.biblemoneymatters.com/should-you-use-a-roth-ira-for-college-savings/
Check it out!
 
Advantages of the ROTH are: 10% penalty waived (see the IRS rules though - there is a 5-year minimum requirement of the money staying in that ROTH prior to withdrawal) and also, if your kid does not go to college, you can then stop worrying about losing the money and use towards retirement.
 
BUT here are the CONS: you can contribute $5000 a year to ROTH (maybe- if you have over $179K AGI per year combined you cannot contribute ANYTHING), but in a 529, you can contribute as much as you want per child.  This is HUGE for dual-income middle class families who get taxed to death but then also have to save for college.
Another disadvantage of the ROTH for college v. 529/Coverdell is that you ARE TAXED on your withdrawals when you withdraw so if you are not yet retired, you will be in a high tax bracket and have to pay taxes on all of that- THAT IS HARSH if you are in a 20-25% bracket even. 
 
Also keep in mind that you are reducing YOUR retirement in place of college spending and that may stink 10 years later for you or you will have to work longer if you do not have a 401K or other retirement savings.  
  
I am not a tax advisor, accountant or financial planner, but I would recommend you talk with one about your specific situation.  You know your AGI (you just did your taxes), and you know your retirement situation or what it should be... but my recommendation is to keep retirement separate from educational savings if you expect your kids to go to college.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry- I have been posting responses a few times but hope this shows up.  </p>
<p>Thanks, Daria- great Questions.<br />
(1) First, YES -you can have both accounts and even ROLL a Coverdell into a 529.  So it is a good deal that you can get the tax advantage later on the Coverdell.</p>
<p>(2) Correct while the Coverdell offers flexibility in moving the money around several times a year, keep in mind you can only contribute $2000 per child per year.</p>
<p>(3) The reason I do not address ROTH IRA or 401K in this is because To me and to most people, ROTHS are for retirement &#8211; MY RETIREMENT but there are a lot of people using them for college savings.  I found a great blog on advantages and disadvantages:<br />
<a href="http://www.biblemoneymatters.com/should-you-use-a-roth-ira-for-college-savings/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.biblemoneymatters.com/should-you-use-a-roth-ira-for-college-savings/</a><br />
Check it out!</p>
<p>Advantages of the ROTH are: 10% penalty waived (see the IRS rules though &#8211; there is a 5-year minimum requirement of the money staying in that ROTH prior to withdrawal) and also, if your kid does not go to college, you can then stop worrying about losing the money and use towards retirement.</p>
<p>BUT here are the CONS: you can contribute $5000 a year to ROTH (maybe- if you have over $179K AGI per year combined you cannot contribute ANYTHING), but in a 529, you can contribute as much as you want per child.  This is HUGE for dual-income middle class families who get taxed to death but then also have to save for college.<br />
Another disadvantage of the ROTH for college v. 529/Coverdell is that you ARE TAXED on your withdrawals when you withdraw so if you are not yet retired, you will be in a high tax bracket and have to pay taxes on all of that- THAT IS HARSH if you are in a 20-25% bracket even. </p>
<p>Also keep in mind that you are reducing YOUR retirement in place of college spending and that may stink 10 years later for you or you will have to work longer if you do not have a 401K or other retirement savings.  </p>
<p>I am not a tax advisor, accountant or financial planner, but I would recommend you talk with one about your specific situation.  You know your AGI (you just did your taxes), and you know your retirement situation or what it should be&#8230; but my recommendation is to keep retirement separate from educational savings if you expect your kids to go to college.</p>
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		By: Daria		</title>
		<link>https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-433</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can you have both?  Because it seems like the Coverdell offers more management of your investment, so perhaps max that out and if you have more to invest then move to 529?  Also, how do Roth IRA&#039;s fit into the picture?  That&#039;s where we&#039;re putting our college $ for now.  

Very thorough, thank you Ratna!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you have both?  Because it seems like the Coverdell offers more management of your investment, so perhaps max that out and if you have more to invest then move to 529?  Also, how do Roth IRA&#8217;s fit into the picture?  That&#8217;s where we&#8217;re putting our college $ for now.  </p>
<p>Very thorough, thank you Ratna!</p>
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		By: Ratna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-431&quot;&gt;Steve&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve- good question.  Yes, my research indicates and personal experience as well, that there are fees.  On the 529s, this is the biggest CON- sometimes the fees can be higher than the performance of the investment plus since you are limited to only one transaction in the 529 per year, you can lose a lot more than gain if the fees are high.   On the Coverdell, there are management/investment fees as well but because you can move the money around more, you may see more gains to help offset the fees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://denverparent.net/2011/03/financial-friday-saving-for-your-childs-education-part-2/#comment-431">Steve</a>.</p>
<p>Steve- good question.  Yes, my research indicates and personal experience as well, that there are fees.  On the 529s, this is the biggest CON- sometimes the fees can be higher than the performance of the investment plus since you are limited to only one transaction in the 529 per year, you can lose a lot more than gain if the fees are high.   On the Coverdell, there are management/investment fees as well but because you can move the money around more, you may see more gains to help offset the fees.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was wondering if there are any management fees with 529 or Coverdell accounts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if there are any management fees with 529 or Coverdell accounts?</p>
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